So the shermans would burn like hell with almost any hit at all that impacted the engine or fuel systems. Logistics. Case in point, the photos showing panzers – are mostly of KO’d tanks…. Hans von Luck describes the elan of the Ok ok, one comment, saying the Abrams was based on the Tiger concept is well, just wrong, and that right there tells us all we need to know about you! prompt their replacement…. Because they have, to a certain degree, jumped to hasty conclusions, and because they have helped fashion many erroneous conceptions, I shall attempt in this article to present considerations which they have apparently overlooked and which may change the outlook of many on American tanks. You really must have read Death Traps, or that Kershaw fellow did, because Patton, other than offering an opinion on the tank, had nothing to do with the T20 program or the M26 tank that came from it. The Panther and Tigers would need total redesigns to be useful to a nation that needed tanks, and not slightly mobile, poor quality, pill boxes. These were fairly advanced, and the ones in the Tiger were useable, though they only had lives a little longer than the motors. #10 Tank Infantry Communication: They Couldn’t At First, Shocking But True! The M26 was intended as a replacement of the M4 Sherman, [citation … even if largely by the Luftwaffe Flak units The credit given to the 88’s killing power should really be given to the humble 75 mm guns used by all nations. Ah hell! The M4A3 76 HVSS tanks would prove to be more than a match for the T-34-85s they met in Korea, and would really come down to crew quality. The idea the US Army had a second to none tank before the M1 Abrams is pretty damn debatable, and you were calling US tanks like the M26/46/47 no good!  The Nazi Germans could really only dream of having a tank arsenal like CDA or FTA. Why the myth was so widely accepted? to claim a “weird kink” applies to my post.. you have on show – here, ’cause – I surely do, ta.). Two tank philosophies, totally at odds with each other. This tank layout still dominates current tank design. So tanks like the KV-1 and Char B1 (which was far heavier then any German tank of the time period) and the Churchill never existed? This was the first version of the Panther, the version so bad it would light on fire if the hull got tilted too much, no joke because the fuel system leaked into the rubber lined engine compartment and when the hull tilted, fuel would hit the exhaust manifolds. M3 Medium Tank vs Panzer III: Kasserine Pass 1943 (Duel) analog, looks good, but rushed into service & full of bugs, too!’? #66 Sherman Tanks of the US Army Official History books: This time the Pacific! So I can see how a replacement component intended for, say, a PzKw-III G might not fit a PzKw-III J. b) However, the idea that anyone was producing hull plates or wheels in nonstandard sizes or with different bolt holes for key components (again, we are NOT talking about different ausfrungs here) seems awfully farfetched to me. It is a total myth that you needed five or more Shermans to take out one Panther or Tiger. since the didn't have war on their home front. #63 Security On the March: How a WWII Sherman Tank unit prepared for an attack on march. That reads awfully like an ex post facto I have a plan for an invisible, invincible forcefield powered by my mind, anyone who does it first must pay me credit for thinking of it! It wouldn’t have a German peer until the Panzer IV was up-gunned and even then, the best version of the Panzer IV was barely a match for a 75mm armed Sherman and totally outclassed by the later 76mm armed tanks. Passing through a bog is just the kind of thing extended end connectors helped with and Shermans with HVSS suspension had very good ground pressure, and coupled with the Ford GAA V8, a more powerful motor that weighed less, and these improvedments pretty much solved the mobility complaints about the Sherman. Far more HVSS Shermans ended up in use than were ever factory made since Israel loved to swap it onto older models when they were doing their upgrades, this is how an M4A4 hull could end up with HVSS, and an R975 motor. Panzer IV has high velocity 88mm gun, Sherman has low velocity 75mm gun. Tanks: Panther vs Sherman Starter Set 2 players, ages 14+, 30 minutes By Gale Force 9. And how many tanks did you loose making that flank shot? Personally, I'd rather have a Tiger than a Panther. So the thing you got right, the Sherman was powered by a gasoline powered motor, well, all but the M4A2 that was, in fact, a diesel. You would think someone who’s read all that stuff about the tank, and shown you things most people find very convincing, that it might make you think for a second. Taking an arm out of context is silly, its part of a system and it works or fails as part of a system. The Sherman Transmission: A robust, and advanced Transmission for the time. Why? ( they were used effectively against the forces As the M4’s 75 mm gun was capable of knocking out Tigers at a rather decent range when given the sides which is actually the most common part of a tank to be hit. Even a nation trying to be honest often gets kill claims wrong, but Nazi Germany liked to use inflated numbers to help soothe a restless population that was starting to see the error of supporting Hitler’s foolish war. & the case of Christ came up, & by chance it was Downloads Page: The Place For Things Too Big To Post, Like Field Manuals And Tech Manuals, and Large Reports. 2 Operational Research concluded that, from a sample of 40 Sherman tanks, 33 tanks burned (82 percent) and 7 tanks remained unburned following an average of 1.89 penetrations. Only two Shermans at Sidi-Bau-Zid had any evidence of being struck by 88mms, out of the 47 that I think were disabled. You mention the Germans sending back captured versions of the Sherman, I think they got the first one from the British, but it doesn’t really matter. During the initial period in Normandy just after the invasion, when engagements were toe-to-toe slugfests, battles with tanks fighting tanks were common. And in this, the Germans surpassed largely the Allies in 1940. Now battle ! This is not as big of an advantage as it’s made out to be. It has a good gun, and good ammunition for it. And that in actual practice, the Nazi Big Cats were a resource waste. It also still had a blind gunner. Most good efforts were made by the stug and Pz II and IV units. When the US needed tanks, the Sherman could be counted on to be available. Back in America, tank designers were already working on a successor to the Grant. Anyone with German cars knows that while excellent in many important ways, they have flaws in how they make things. With their heavy armor and complicated mechanism, they were tank destroyers and not tanks. Yes, considering all factors, I believe that even the most prejudiced or the one most difficult to convince will nod toward the Sherman. In all the ways you need a tank to be good, the Sherman tank was better than the Panther. Editor Comment: I cleaned this up just a bit, it was so hard to read before since it was one massive block of text. 4.7 out of 5 stars. formal technical inspection, ( if for different reasons), with a similar concern for the battlefield outcomes to happen..  Historical Study, German Tank Maintenance in WWIIÂ.   It was an accurate and deadly gun though. That myth has been debunked in so many places at this point, you almost have to be willfully ignorant to still buy into it. #11 The Radios: The Sherman Tank Had Some Of The Most Advanced Radios In The World At The Time. unpopular items issued for compulsory use are too Inspiration for the B-2 and Vulcan? So it must be made clear to anyone comparing the tanks of the two nations that, as I said before, throughout the campaigns the requirements and needs were different. the belated concerns re: the inadequacy of the M4. Allegedly, British tank crews nicknamed the tank the Ronson, because the lighter of the same name had a motto of “Lights the first time, every time!”. It didn’t work if the tank was on even a mild slope. But war is more than specs on a page of armor and penetration. Sherman Tank Site Post 72: Army Motors, the Magazine of the Army Mechanic! To this day I cannot understand why this tank has endured the bad reputation it has received, other than “on paper” propaganda.  Some people assume that means painstakingly handcrafted, and it’s sort of true. The armor on German tanks was generally poor. Some Shermans were abandoned intact, T-34’s??? It started off with a low power 75mm gun that had no chance of hurting a Lee or Sherman, and was later up-gunned with a 75mm similar to the one mounted on the Sherman, but slightly better. It is one of the very important reasons why so many of our tanks bested the German tanks. To show the struggle back then, to find necessary funds and commitment of all resources to fight Nazis, German military potential had to be portrayed in a way we know it today –best this, best that. Sherman, Lee and variants, Gun Data Page. dont be biased while judging technology, remember that. Compared to other methods CAS was quite ineffective against tanks. One argument ‘wehraboo’, (for those not in the know, a wehraboo is a German WWII Army, Armor, Airplane or Ship fanatic, who believes anything and everything German was the best in WWII. Making matters worse for American tankers, the Army’s inability to properly forecast German tank production—which was much higher than anyone predicted—meant there were a lot more of these tanks on the battlefield than the Army had originally counted on. It called by the Germans “Tommykocher” what means that it burns with all members like hell. * If only he’d had a .44 Magnum, as Dirty Harry reckoned, Panther in British service) that they built an analog type, the Centurion, which The Panzer IV had a nearly identical rate of catastrophic failures. Now take another aspect, a diesel injection pump that is mfg even in those days down to the .0001 tolerances to work. commands would not accept, ’til they saw its effects.. Yeah, the Allied 90 mm & 122 mm guns were totally not developed in the early 1930s and totally weren’t planned to be placed on AFVs before the Tiger’s combat debut. Why is Jame’s W wishing Hitler a happy birthday? been an excellent equivalent, but being the This tank was a non-factor in the war, and the first ones lost on the eastern front were knocked out by a handful of T-34-85s, they never even spotted. to get a better offer than me, Help Battlefield Vegas learn more about their combat vet M4A3 Sherman! Even an undergunned tank can be dangerous when in the hands of trained and well experienced crew. reduce the effects of the Sherman’s shortcomings, The Maybachs in the Panther and Tiger were lucky to get 1000 miles before it failed, any Sherman motor would be good for three to five times that. You do know in WWII the Sherman was far safer than just about any other tank, and US tankers suffered far few casualties than their infantry comrades, right? It simply means they had come up with a method to coat the lenses in their optics, make them slightly more clear, making them brighter. The M26 remained in service with units in Europe, the Marines stored some, and the Army had some sitting around in the States, but it was in service with the Army in Germany. You are making a great point regarding German armour. To bad the Sherman, all models, outclassed it in just about every important way. Unreliable to the US Army would seemed like automotive perfection to the Germans the standards were so different. Still another item often overlooked is that it was necessary for us to carry an adequate basic load of ammunition and gasoline in our tanks, for to replace what we used we had to call upon trucks that had to travel over a long, dangerous supply route. A new, more lethal version of the, U.S. intelligence had assessed the Sherman as equal to the, The Army was well aware that German and Soviet tanks were getting bigger and more powerful, but the United States would have problems keeping up. Keep up the quality posts. the primitive conditions of living. The power traverse enabled American tanks to move down roads at high speeds shooting from one side of the road to the other. fact, but unlike the P-51 Mustang in the air, the poor ol’ I’ve only heard my husband use it. The German tank is much heavier and therefore its armor is much thicker than that of any American tank. were more than a match qualitatively, than I guess it’s really a good thing the Nazi industrialists were a bunch of clowns, greedy opportunists, and straight up lackeys to even worse men, or the Germans might have had a decent tank. Pep, Making plans for something doesn’t count for shit if you can’t act on them, other countries had similar plans, putting them into action is another, which they failed to do. The absence of an effective armor-piercing shell proved to be a terrific handicap, as well. Infantry generals favored a vehicle with a big gun that could sit still and take out enemy bunkers. & as partly acknowledged in the general’s The same American tanks were superior to their rivals in other important ways. The British Army, partly out of desperation, bought American tanks. They were generally positive in their review of the tank, and used any they could get their hands on without modification. The panzer IV hit and don't miss shoots and during this time 3/4 shells miss/blocked with my and AT gun and 2 hits succeed only with my Sherman. This tank continued to be used throughout the war and was up-gunned to a short 75mm howitzer for infantry support once its use as a tank became limited. Once again, let us not forget that the Americans fought an offensive, fast, deceptive, and winning war. © Copyright 2021 Center for the National Interest All Rights Reserved, But armor and lethality don’t tell the whole story. And why they really just needed to buckle down and make more StuGs. As good as this tank was, it was still overly complicated and required more hours to build than better designs.Â. tanks which simply shrugged off lesser hits, How many rounds of ammunition is it able to stow? The Sherman M4A2 Medium Tank: Major Sherman Model rarely used by the US Army. Third, some of links you added have their problems but the rest even though they show some personals bias they are true, like the one talking about the Panther in the wargaming forum that said the panther was a shit because it wasn’t designed to support infantry, something that could be true if we see it from the point of view of the western allied doctrine, but the germans designed it to face tank more often than support infantry, that is why Stugs were a thing. Though the Shermans were easily bested tank for tank, they could always bank on a numerical superiority, which fact was considered in tactics and strategy employed. ..a post war Swedish ( neutral) tank trial mobility comparison which clearly Just what the Tiger was built to do, & did – in 1942.. & the Sherman wasn’t… Dream you´re dream but the reality was sad for American tankers and often American Tankers dindt want to go back in the fight with they´re crap tanks! Is the German tank able to move for long distances and continuous periods at a steady rate of speed? What kept it from being heavy was its pathetic lack of armor for a tank of its size. And it was a great little tank; its turret ring was just too small to fit a real gun. The Army Ground Forces, which oversaw the ground combat branch’s equipment, kept an eye on the long game. They were so slow, ungainly and problem prone, during the battle of the bulge, they were left at the rear of all the column’s, and barely made it into any of the fights. Overtly doing the reverse ‘wehraboo’ slanted opinionated rant. result of the ’88’ proving so effective…. I knocked out III at El Alamein, the side hatches in the hull and turret side were weak points…, J morel of the Tank III, with a more powerful 50mm gun, this was the peak of this tanks usefulness. were not so freely wasted, & the US Army . how difficult the Nazis were to defeat, & the real For another view on the Tiger, check out: Germany’s White Elephant. Are you aware how few German tanks were in service against Americans in 1944/1945? The tank has the traditional endurance of American tanks and rolls consistently for endless miles. This allowed the gunner to use the power traverse to fine aim the gun. Last, never talked about combat capability (how good they were fighting in a battle not as a whole in the war), the real reason the wehraboos are confused is that it is true those german tank were good at fighting and sometimes even better than allies tanks in SERVICE but just when they could move and those battle never were 1vs1 , most of them were impractical because all the supply and reliabiality problems. A factor rarely considered, yet on occasion vitally important, is the type of bridge that a Sherman can use to cross a stream or river. Everyone ‘knows’ this and accepts it as fact. You can look at resent Saudi and Iraqi uses of Abrams against the Houthis or ISIS and see that the superiority of the M1 is rather useless. the tank, causing horrific injuries to the crew…. It goes ninety miles and often more on a tankful of gasoline. & put dread into their enemies beyond mere technical prowess.. They were fighting a slow war, a defensive war where they picked their spots. The Sherman Tank Variant Page: Pages for each type of Sherman tank. Not only is it wasteful of resources, it only offers a minor advantage if anything over regular sized road wheels. Very few tank/tank battles in the war by 1944. The turret was very cramped for these men as well. You also have to keep in mind,  thousands of Shermans were used in the United States for training, and some never saw combat or left the US, the ones that did were remanufactured later in the war and then sent to Europe for the final campaigns in NWE. American tank designers were limited only by their imaginations—and cost. The Pershing had a well balanced turret, and could traverse the gun at any angle the tank found itself. The Pershing had a very roomy turret, designed to fit the gun, it had a hydroelectric turret drive system with a stabilized gun. ‘their boys’ having to be sacrificed in inferior tanks, Other than the pre-breakout at Normandy, German tanks had only a few successes after that in the West. I think you oversell the Sherman a little and disparage the German designs to a similarly exaggerated degree. See, the Sherman and Panther shared a big design flaw, and that was the placement of the motor in the rear of the hull, while the rest of the powertrain was at the front, requiring a drive shaft that runs under the fighting compartment. German armor fans like to talk about how influential the Panther and Tiger designs were, but as far as I can tell, they really had zero real impact on future tank design. Having more tanks that doesn’t break down every 500 miles does. & tested Sherman had to take up the slack.. ( The Brit Centurion did show what a modern tank That is fact! Just because the Army, The U.S. did eventually field a new, heavier tank in early 1945. The Panther had a PTO based system, that required high engine RPM for full speed traverse, meaning the driver had to be in on operating the turret. 3% FYI. I say most emphatically that such factors must be included before a thorough, honest, and fair comparison can be made and a sound and intelligent conclusion reached. The Sherman must give ground to the Tiger when the size of the gun and the thickness of the armor is considered. In comparison, from a sample of 5 Panzer IV's, 4 tanks burned (80 percent) and 1 tank remained unburned, following an average of … Tank V knocked out or broken down, hard to tell, also not the poorly secured side skirts to protect against Russian AT rifles.Â. I believe that by the time Shermans (and even Grants) were in service in the desert, the Panzer IIIH model predominated.  On top of that, the Germans just didn’t produce many spare parts. & succeed in victorious combat outcomes. You do know how lame PTO is for turret rotation right? The Vertical Volute Suspension Page: Both early and late VVSS will be covered. He would need up to several minutes in some cases to find the target the commander was trying to get him on due to him not having a wider view scope and the commander having no turret override. as the Sherman tank) & had to make up for this with numbers & firepower The tank will go faster and will live longer than the German Tiger. The same American tanks were superior to their rivals in other important ways. The Sherman tank, even the very early models with only the periscope sight, had a big advantage over German tanks in this area. Instead, the armored vehicles should exploit gaps in enemy lines, rush in, start blowing up stuff. Quality control at all Sherman factories and sub-contractors was tightly monitored, and superb. . facets, & the steel itself was both tough & ductile, enabling the I would hope the road wheels would be pretty close, and not require modification, think more like getting a replacement bracket in the cooling system to fit because the bolt holes in the particular tank were custom drilled to fit the part they had. proof against AP – shattering those shots, if not careening them off.. How long and how much skill is required to change an engine? Sure, the United States produced a huge number of Sherman tanks, but they supplied them to an awful lot of countries through lend-lease. I would chose it above all the others. But it lacked a dedicated gunner, and that really increases the workload on the tank. Was T-34 a good tank – no. Everything said about the Tiger I applies to this tank, just more so. 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