•Maglor is very silent, only talking if needed. Rant over. In fact, the Valar and Maiar did not mate and reproduce with each other. Ungoliant is thought to be a Maia, long ago corrupted by Melkor, but is not counted among the Ainur, as Tolkien Gateway states. So is Shelob, great spawn of Ungoliant, a Maia, assuming that her mother is? BTW Tolkien has stated Ungoliant may be a Maia before, and they are basically universal though ) BUT, Shelob doesn't have any feats except getting stab and stab by two hobbits,so Basilisk wins. Author Topic: Shelob´s Problem (Read 6053 times) 0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic. Morgoth is wounded by Shelob and taken captive by Valar once less powerful than himself because of this. Lúthien's not a Maia, despite being the daughter of one. •Zhoja is actually a cousin to Baranor. Shelob is a giant spider and the daughter of Ungoliant.Mordor was once her homeland, and she was an ally of Sauron before Sauron forced her into the mountains. The Maiar (singular: Maia) are a class of beings from J. R. R. Tolkien's high fantasy legendarium. He was greatly skilled and volunteered to lead the Istari to Middle-Earth to combat his fellow maia Sauron. •Baranor is actually wholesome, he loves his brother and animals. How come Frodo got poised when shelob stabed him? There are other theories as to what she may be, but the most popular and likely is that she is of the Maiar; so, for the purposes of this question, let's assume that she is. That is why they can be defeated by those who, originally, had less power than they did. Shelob was an extremely powerful Maia and Great Spider descended from Ungoliant. Is Shelob possibly at least part Maia? The only certain exception to this is Melian. A place to discuss and ask questions about The Silmarillion, by J.R.R. Sauron is always whering a mask or he is an eye but what kind of creature is he in body form? As established in this answer here that Shelob is not a Maia but at best something similar to the spirits called to Middle-earth by Yavanna or Manwë. Shelob is mentioned in Middle-earth: Shadow of Mordor in two artifacts, the Crushed Spider Egg and the Torn Banner. Lore of Shelob: Was she a Maia? 7.0k members in the TheSilmarillion community. •Shelob is a Half-Maia •Shelob actually used Annatar to keep herself safe •The Black Hand of Sauron was Morgoth’s projection. He is a maia to Aule the smith. There are two different types of adds. Someone please tell me. One type will attack the raid and they will have to be gathered by the off-tank and killed. Shelob does actually strike me as being easier to stat out in D&D terms than pretty much any other entity that crops up in LotR. Canon •Morifinwë finds himself a bit shy than others. Gandalf is quick to anger at times, I agree, and can be a bit obtuse and mysterious in his answers to the regular denizens of Middle-Earth. The name Maiar is in the Quenya tongue (one of several constructed languages) from the Elvish root maya-"excellent, admirable". Did she ever serve any of the Valar? She dwelt for many years in Nan Dungortheb with her countless brothers and sisters, even after Ungoliant ventured elsewhere. Shelob, I don't know, she'll probably be all alone because it's her cave and she's like the only giant spider ever in Minas Morgul. Read 6053 times. Shelob would have had to have been an Ainu created by Eru before the Ainulindale to have been counted as one, but was instead the offspring of Ungoliant. The origins of Shelob, the animosity between elves and dwarves, and the backstory of Sauron are all intricately detailed by Tolkien elsewhere in his canon. I'm wondering if in the book, Frodo was bitten since spiders don't sting, they bite. We are told that she is the "last child of Ungoliant to trouble the unhappy world," and though Tolkien never states explicitly that Ungoliant is a Maia, textual evidence strongly suggests that such is the case. Shelob was born during the Elder Days to the spider-like demon Ungoliant, who mated with (and devoured) the spider-creatures of the Ered Gorgoroth. Upon being killed, they leave poison on the ground (the poison will stay there until the end of the fight!!). She became acquainted with Gollum and the two would help each other out, Gollum bringing her unlucky victims who would fall into her trap. Ungoliant … Sadly, an explanation regarding Tom Bombadil is nowhere to be found, and decades later, the jovial character remains an unknown quantity in Middle-earth. She's literally a giant spider. Loading editor. As established in this answer here that Shelob is not a Maia but at best something similar to the spirits called to Middle-earth by Yavanna or Manwë. The only part of him you'll see is him in that armor at the beginning of FotR. Shelob descends from one of the Eternals. from what I can gather nobody knows what Ungoliant was but it seems likely she was a Maia. One nitpick: Shelob isn't a Maia, being the spawn of Ungoliant, which is something other than Vala or Maia. However considering that Shadow of War wishes to play around with the narrative slightly then it might not be that far of a stretch. Thanks. he was wearing his mithril shirt. Je ne peux pas croire que je n'ai jamais attrapé ça avant. KMC Forums > Movie Franchises > Lord of the Rings > Shelob's poison stab. «Shelob» n'est donc pas à proprement parler un nom, mais plutôt une description. Shelob is indeed literally a giant spider, and I've never heard of any argument saying she isn't until now. Close • Posted by 2 minutes ago. Is Shelob possibly at least part Maia? [7] This pairs well with the Ungoliant-as-Maia theory [8] and the sheer maliciousness of her spawn Shelob. Quote More History; Done. - Duration: 12:53. What about Ungoliant? And even assuming Ungoliant was a Maia, that doesn't mean that Shelob was, too. She isn't a Maia like a Balrog is, which is the closest Tolkien gets to the concept of a "demon." Bilbo appelant les araignées "lob paresseux" et l'araignée femelle étant appelée "she-lob" Luis G. Woah. Her brood still infest portions of Mordor. Ironic. Do they ever say what kind of creature he is. Register now for a free lifetime membership, and enjoy posting topics and replying to threads from other members in an ad free environment. Shelob will be voiced by the Walking Dead actress Pollyanna McIntosh and Middle-Earth: Shadow of War will be out on October 10th, 2017 for PC, PS4 … Any power they use is used up, and is lost to them. Les gens ne l'appellent pas par leur nom, ils l'appellent "l'araignée". Shadow of Mordor Game Movie (Complete Edition) All Cutscenes PC 1080p HD - … All of this taken together supports the Boethian and Augustinian view of evil, wherein evil is “a privation of the good,” [9] and “nothing is evil in the beginning.” by Lebasi » Wed Jun 16, 2010 8:15 pm. What was Shelob? There, she had many offspring, including Shelob, which spread throughout the Ered Gorgoroth and gave it a reputation as a place of horror. Shelob. Supernatural and angelic, they are "lesser Ainur" who entered the cosmos of E ä in the beginning of time. Lord_Andres. To subscribe to this RSS feed, copy and paste this URL into your RSS reader. Other than a giant spider? Shelob´s Problem « previous next » Print; Pages: 1 2 All Go Down. NBS History 1,208 views. August 24, 2008, 07:55:58 PM. Neither of which are able to take human form. She was based at Cirith Ungol and was feared by the Orcs and Uruks that were stationed nearby. Consider Luthien - she is an Elf, not a Maia, despite Melian being a Maia.